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Aesiron Kor-Azor
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:27:00 -
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And it is still the same thing as before:
- The controls are still so clunky, it is impossible for heavy dropsuits to win in close quarters with medium suits strafing from side to side.
- There is nothing to do, I have about 2 million spare SP and I have no desire to try to spend it in something new because it is simply inviable to try anything other than assault or heavy, considering there will be no SP refunds and to spec into something properly costs like 2 million SP anyway.
- Spawning is still absolutely terrible. Three times I spawned within 10 metres of an enemy. Spawned once about 3 feet away from an enemy drop uplink. Spawned once to be killed by the war barrage instantly. I thought CCP said they would fix this ages ago?
- I still have no sense of what I am fighting for... I just jump in a game and shoot people, there is no factional warfare or anything which gives me a roleplay reason to fight since I am not a corp member. The EvE universe isn't present here at all.
- I cannot try any new things as specialising into EG - the forge gun will require weaponary level V which as a casual gamer I cannot expend...
- Matchmaking is still awful, I know CCP are aiming to 'fix' it, but right now I am getting put in games where we lose like 10 deaths to 80 deaths, with the other team having 4 tanks.
- Graphics are still below average, they are not smooth at all, hopefully the PS4 could change this...
- The animations are half-broken, IE - when I press the melee, it has a really clunky robotic 'jump' and feels like only 3 frames were inserted to it.
- AV grenades are still useless against vehicles, and speccing into forge guns and swarm launchers is unviable as I have to dedicate a whole class to it and by the time I change, the vehicle has either gone or I encounter someone with an ordinary weapon and I die.
I know this will probably look like a wall of complaints, but that is what I genuinely think of this game... 1.4 and 1.5 do nothing to address these issues so far, and the lack of content only worsens the issue.
I appreciate that your doing adorable little adjustments like adding a recent updates tab, adjusting the HUD, giving the laser rifle a red dot sight, giving corps the ability to tax... but that is NOT WHAT THE GAME NEEDS RIGHT NOW. Those are little petty things which should only come once the game is finished. CCP, you need to add the rest of the content and then begin balancing and tweaking. There's no point in adding new content 1 by 1 and then balancing them.
All of the problems I listed above give the game the low ratings it has been getting, the low ratings are not because of the lack of the EVE connection, no one really cares about that in an MMOFPS.
I appreciate that this is early days, but you should not have rushed for release so quickly, there was no advantage of doing it before the PS4 came out.
Please consider fixing these issues before implementing any more irrelevant updates. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:34:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Bro, im sorry but your soft.
Either you have something to prove and want to compete or you dont.
Dont come to forums with qq unless its about spam clowns or clown cars.
Those are the only exploits.
How can I prove it? Do you want me to record all of these problems, I'd do it if you really really want to be honest. It won't take me long to reproduce these problems.
And I am not QQing, if you didn't just read the first sentence and hop to a reply you would comprehend this.
Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:
AV grenades are still useless against vehicles, and speccing into forge guns and swarm launchers is unviable as I have to dedicate a whole class to it and by the time I change, the vehicle has either gone or I encounter someone with an ordinary weapon and I die.
This is the part where the tankers start trying to find where you live.
Okay, well I threw 3 AV grenades and the shields didn't even deplete.
On 50% armour I chucked three and got an assist, but my grenades didn't do it alone. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:39:00 -
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TunRa wrote:LOL! He wants explosive AV grenades to be effective against shields? HAIL AV 514!
Please refer to my post above where I describe an AV grenade vs Armour instance. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:48:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:TunRa wrote:LOL! He wants explosive AV grenades to be effective against shields? HAIL AV 514! Please refer to my post above where I describe an AV grenade vs Armour instance. You're doing it wrong.
What? Is there a special code? Do I have to throw it and hit it through the thermal vent or something? I threw all three grenades right at a tank and it took away about half (25%) of its 50% armour.
Amy Artic wrote:Nyawww dont rage! If you dont realise they are adding and fixing a lot in the next update ;)
A lot of us dont have a problem with the game (though by the sounds of things you were playing ambush, I mode in need of a rethink).
I personally think the EVE connection is important, it's why I chose D514 over Planetside 2, and no doubt the reason why a lot of people chose to dedicate time into Dust over other games. I do however agree the core mechanics need tweaking before full intergration.
btw AV grenades do damage tanks, just dont expect to solo a tank with them, this is a squad based game after all.
'A lot of us'? In what way are you able to judge how many people are satisfied with the game or not? Well I can judge by the responses from my criticism posts, other criticism posts and reviews, and let me tell you, people don't praise this game... And don't patronise me, I've looked at the patch notes (which you should have realised if you had read my entire post) and there is nothing desirable there, at all...
Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:I'm guessing it was a glitch because, for right now: AV>Skilled Vehicle drivers. Seriously, EZ mode swarms and everything, while we can't even get the full racial line of tanks.
Well that is another problem to the list. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:55:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Very few accurate points that are shadowed behind an overwhelming amount of QQ. You don't want to spec into AV cause someone took care of the vehicle first? You expect medium suits to stand still while you shoot them with your HMG whilst having at least double their HP? You don't want to spec into anything because you don't find it viable?
Bro, everything is viable in this game (except Small Railguns and Plasma Cannon...). It's a matter of situation and your own ability. Stop blaming the game for your own deficiencies.
Please assess the 'accuracy' of each point individually because I'm willing to entirely challenge that cute statement. Also re-read my post, you clearly misunderstood the fundamental arguments I put into it.
- I don't want to spec into AV because: A) it takes a lot of SP, for a casual gamer with 6m SP, and B) I have to switch classes which essentially guarantees 2 deaths for me unless I'm near a supply depot, and it isn't always worth it because my team mates often do the job by the time I change.
- I expect medium suits not to be able to strafe around as if they were light suits.
- I don't want to spec into other stuff because like I've said twice, I only have 6m SP because I am a casual gamer and I covet to save it up for when I actually need it...
- And please don't try to appeal to my apparently childish sense of reasoning by calling me 'bro', and don't blame the instant deaths I have endured due to bad spawns and war barrages on my 'deficiencies'... |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:00:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Which AV nades did you use? What kind of tank was it? You can't expect to kill a Madrugar with 3 STD nades.
That isn't my point, my point is, is that it is impossible to defend yourself from tanks as a newbie, you can't expect them to spec into forge guns / swarm launchers to take out tanks, and the basic AV grenades are implied to be not enough, that itself is the flaw and not the fact that it didn't kill it. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:04:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Which AV nades did you use? What kind of tank was it? You can't expect to kill a Madrugar with 3 STD nades. That isn't my point, my point is, is that it is impossible to defend yourself from tanks as a newbie, you can't expect them to spec into forge guns / swarm launchers to take out tanks, and the basic AV grenades are implied to be not enough, that itself is the flaw and not the fact that it didn't kill it. So matchmaking? Wait for 1.4 and then judge.
It isn't matchmaking, it is simply that swarm launchers should be carried as secondary weapons, making them more viable and doesn't require a class dedicated to AV to be applied to a player during a match. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:10:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Which AV nades did you use? What kind of tank was it? You can't expect to kill a Madrugar with 3 STD nades. That isn't my point, my point is, is that it is impossible to defend yourself from tanks as a newbie, you can't expect them to spec into forge guns / swarm launchers to take out tanks, and the basic AV grenades are implied to be not enough, that itself is the flaw and not the fact that it didn't kill it. So matchmaking? Wait for 1.4 and then judge. It isn't matchmaking, it is simply that swarm launchers should be carried as secondary weapons, making them more viable and doesn't require a class dedicated to AV to be applied to a player during a match. Swarm launchers are a light weapon and can be carried by any suit (if that's what you mean by class) and no they shouldn't be carried as secondary weapons because that's destroys vehicle viability. If you want two light weapons on a suit go skill into a commando.
Again you highlight one key fundamental flaw. "If you want two light weapons, go spec commando" - around half of the players that this game will attract will be casual gamers, earning no more than 24,000 SP a day, they will not be able to spec into something like that as easily, there is a serious dedication issue as players who play more will infinitely outwit casual gamers.
And vehicles should have ECM to counter missiles in a similar way, and that would balance itself out.. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.31 08:55:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:If you threw 3 AV grenades at a half-armour tank and it didn't die before the third one arrived, there are a few possible scenarios:
1. You're lying and you killed the tank. 2. You're lagging and the tank was actualy dead before you threw the second grenade. 3. You missed with at least 2 of your grenades, and are running Standard AV Grenades rather than upgrading to Advanced or Prototype. 4. You're running Standard AV Grenades, and the tank had multiple Armour Hardeners and a Repairer running, and probably a guy with a Repair Tool standing behind it as well as the driver maxing out the armour resistance skill. 5. You were lagging so bad it looked like you hit the tank but actually your grenades were more than 2 seconds behind and the Assist was on a random LAV or something that shot past and caught one on the way without you even seeing it.
Yes, it's vaguely plausible for an armour tank to, for a few seconds, be durable enough to tank 3 AV grenades while at 50% health, but even though it literally has EVERYTHING running to avoid death, it's still losing 25% of its HP, then getting finished off by something else, even though you're not running a primary anti-vehicle weapon.
The scenario is that I threw three AV grenades and it didn't kill the tank, don't ask me why.
I-Shayz-I wrote:Trust me, 1.4 is a HUGE improvement.
The removal of team vision and better matchmaking will make the game drastically better.
I've read the patch notes and other than matchmaking and the new facility, it is all not great.
Garrett Blacknova wrote:Just looking at the thing about people wanting the capabilities of dedicated AV without actually having to be a dedicated AV build, there are 2 options.
1. AV Grenades, but they're long overdue for a nerf that I hope is coming soon. 2. You know there's a free fitting with a Swarm Launcher you can use for free because it's a free fitting, right? Because you should seriously check it out. Did I mention it's free? Because it's free. And it has a Swarm Launcher.
The free fittings are borderline useless against vehicles, plus I don't think you should have to change classes to become an AV weapon...
Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:
Again you highlight one key fundamental flaw. "If you want two light weapons, go spec commando" - around half of the players that this game will attract will be casual gamers, earning no more than 24,000 SP a day, they will not be able to spec into something like that as easily, there is a serious dedication issue as players who play more will infinitely outwit casual gamers.
And vehicles should have ECM to counter missiles in a similar way, and that would balance itself out..
You earn like 24,000 from passive SP i believe. Also you can't "outwit" someone just because you have more SP. To outwit someone requires wit, of which you sorely lack.
Yes you can, did you read what I said? I am talking in terms that they can EASILY try another build with millions of SP to spare, whereas the casual gamer will probably have about 500,000 SP to spare. I know people with triple my SP, and they are better than me because of it and they have the freedom to adapt to any other build. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.31 08:56:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:The only thing I disagree with you here is the spawning (assuming you're talking about ambush). Everything else I agree with.
The spawn system has greatly improved during the past three months alone. Zerg rushes are less common in ambush and getting killed when spawning is not as problematic as it use to. You occasionally still get spawn killed every now and then, but it's far less common now to the point where it's mostly limited to your initial spawn at the beginning of every match when you are not cloaked.
Well sorry to report but I just spawned within 10 metres of an enemy 3 times, on top of an enemy drop uplink once, and got instantly killed by a precision strike.
Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Didn't he read the 1.4 patch notes? Not sure if he can read?
Please get out of here if you're going to be that childish -_-
Henchmen21 wrote:Sounds like you want EZ mode for you because you don't want to put the effort to spec into anything. Specing into proto nades is worth it a thousand times over. You also played Ambush during an event that has people trying to win as many matches as they can as fast as they can, sounds like you were on the wrong side of a pubstomp, which usually ends up with spawning into fire.
No, I want a fun game, not an easy game. This game is not fun right now.
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Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.31 08:56:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:NOTE - if you're going to read the first 3 lines and jump to a reply, please don't, you need to understand my entire argument to avoid embarrassing mistakes others have made.
And it is still the same thing as before:
- The controls are still so clunky, it is impossible for heavy dropsuits to win in close quarters with medium suits strafing from side to side.
- There is nothing to do, I have about 2 million spare SP and I have no desire to try to spend it in something new because it is simply inviable to try anything other than assault or heavy, considering there will be no SP refunds and to spec into something properly costs like 2 million SP anyway.
- Spawning is still absolutely terrible. Three times I spawned within 10 metres of an enemy. Spawned once about 3 feet away from an enemy drop uplink. Spawned once to be killed by the war barrage instantly. I thought CCP said they would fix this ages ago?
- I still have no sense of what I am fighting for... I just jump in a game and shoot people, there is no factional warfare or anything which gives me a roleplay reason to fight since I am not a corp member. The EvE universe isn't present here at all.
- I cannot try any new things as specialising into EG - the forge gun will require weaponary level V which as a casual gamer I cannot expend...
- Matchmaking is still awful, I know CCP are aiming to 'fix' it, but right now I am getting put in games where we lose like 10 deaths to 80 deaths, with the other team having 4 tanks.
- The animations are half-broken, IE - when I press the melee, it has a really clunky robotic 'jump' and feels like only 3 frames were inserted to it.
- AV grenades are still useless against vehicles, and speccing into forge guns and swarm launchers is unviable as I have to dedicate a whole class to it and by the time I change, the vehicle has either gone or I encounter someone with an ordinary weapon and I die.
I know this will probably look like a wall of complaints, but that is what I genuinely think of this game... 1.4 and 1.5 do nothing to address these issues so far, and the lack of content only worsens the issue. I appreciate that your doing adorable little adjustments like adding a recent updates tab, adjusting the HUD, giving the laser rifle a red dot sight, giving corps the ability to tax... but that is NOT WHAT THE GAME NEEDS RIGHT NOW. Those are little petty things which should only come once the game is finished. CCP, you need to add the rest of the content and then begin balancing and tweaking. There's no point in adding new content 1 by 1 and then balancing them. All of the problems I listed above give the game the low ratings it has been getting, the low ratings are not because of the lack of the EVE connection, no one really cares about that in an MMOFPS. I appreciate that this is early days, but you should not have rushed for release so quickly, there was no advantage of doing it before the PS4 came out. I've played Planetside 2 and despite having like 5 FPS on my PC, it was instantly a better game, I will definitely play on it on the PS4, and it is better simply because it is finished and there is a real factional warfare feel to it, rather than being plopped into a random battle for some random corporation. Please consider fixing these issues before implementing any more irrelevant updates. Couldn't you have waited 3 more days?
I assume you mean that 1.4 will fix 'everything' magically? Nope, it won't. Matchmaking will not be 'fixed', it can't be because that isn't the underlying problem, the problem is SP difference.
Ludvig Enraga wrote:I think you need to build your arguments better. Some valid thoughts, but then you go and pile up a ton of garbage over them. Or maybe we just see things differently.
You belittle things like a better corp structure and taxation when comparing them to the 'huge broken things' like lol-who-gives-a-dam melee animation.
The irony of that post flatters me.
Dexter307 wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:
AV grenades are still useless against vehicles, and speccing into forge guns and swarm launchers is unviable as I have to dedicate a whole class to it and by the time I change, the vehicle has either gone or I encounter someone with an ordinary weapon and I die.
This is a joke right? I really hope its a joke, no one can seriously think this.
That is what I experienced and what I am reporting, I am not using proto AV grenades, I'm taking such an issue from a newbie's perspective.
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Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.31 08:57:00 -
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Dexter307
Get out of here with that attitude, I'm proposing a genuine argument, if you are incapable of producing a counterargument please just leave.
IronWolfSaber
Well not from my perspective, bare in mind that I have 6m SP and I have the cheapest AV grenades. |
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